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Hi Sharon,
This is a great question!
I get it…you are wanting to do all of these fun activities with a man…it’s a way of bonding and having fun together! I suggest to let go of the idea of doing all of these fun activities WITH a guy. Instead, focus on creating your life with your friends or even alone. I do a TON of things alone. I go to events and completely enjoy the entertainment by myself and I ALWAYS meet new people that way. It’s quite wonderful actually. It’s living life as you would if those guys were not an option. That’s the mindset you need to have.
Then….if they happen to invite you to something, that can be a BONUS to your already fun and adventurous life. Stop inviting them. There hasn’t been enough traction yet where you are functioning more like a couple and it would be normal for you to create and initiate plans. When it’s the very beginning, you let the guy take the lead and let him create the pace. If you find it doesn’t work well for you, you can create closure or you can decide to say something and see what happens, but regardless, allowing the man to take the lead allows you to REALLY see the level of investment he has with you.
So yes, for now and because of the newness with both guys, take a step back and don’t invite them anywhere. Birthdays are so personal and usually events reserved for people that have a lot of meaning to the bday person, so I am not surprised that the guy you invited would be cautious about that. He is connecting more, which is great, but he still needs a lot of time to recover from what he is dealing with. I guarantee he is still not emotionally available and I doubt he will be for awhile. You will be more like a rebound for him if he decides to jump in with you.
Does all of this make sense?
Heidi
Hi Lorelle,
The more you share, the more I get convinced of what Kanya said. It just seems like the 2 of you are at different speeds. You admitted earlier that you tend to go too fast. He seems to go quite slow and that is confusing you like crazy. He is also dealing with some MAJOR things for work, which makes it a pretty normal thing for a man to focus ALL of his attention on making something happen.
I really think that if you just give it more time, find your patience and just let him be whatever he needs to be for a few more months, he might start to turn a corner. I think that letting him do what he does for now and then seeing what he is like after the bird shows are over. He will have more time and I imagine may involve you in his life more. But for now, I imagine your LACK of pressure is making him feel pretty wonderful…I imagine that you having a life outside of him and him knowing that, makes him feel more safe with you and I imagine your acceptance of his life at the moment, is helping draw him in even closer to you. So maybe consider holding off on any conversations until January??
Thoughts?
Heidi
Man….I’m so sorry Nancy!
How long has it been since he has texted you? Are you texting him and he isn’t responding anymore? Did something happen that you are aware of?
If he has stopped connecting with you, my guess is, he was playing quite the game.
Any more details are helpful!
Heidi
Hi Arielle,
You both have been through quite a bit in a short amount of time. I can see that you really want to work through everything and I understand that.
You are doing a wonderful job really looking at the areas in which you were ineffective for him! That’s a difficult journey to take to look at yourself and see how you behaved in a way to contributed to him disconnecting.
With that being said, you are doing the same exact thing that you originally did to push him away. You are pestering him like crazy about connecting. You did it in the beginning and now you are doing it again. So you say that you are so sorry and want to change, yet you are still doing the same behavior, even though it’s for a different reason.
The first thing you need to do is give him space. He has set some boundaries. It’s important that you show him that you can respect his wishes. He has said to you, many times, in a polite way…that he wants to just live his life alone right now and not have to worry about your feelings. So let him do that. The more you contact him, the more you will push him away. The more you contact him, the less attraction he will feel for you, the less respect he will feel towards you and the more he will want to keep you at a distance. Let him CHASE YOU! Let him feel the absence of you in his life. This is so important for him to feel, so he can miss you. He cannot miss you if you are always contacting him. He cannot respect you if you are constantly chasing him and behaving in a desperate way. A man LOVES a woman who knows she is okay without him. A man LOVES a woman who has strength to take care of herself, without “needing” him to make her feel better. A man respects a woman who can take care of herself. He already has a TON to deal with in his career, he needs to feel you will be okay with this design. So show him! Give him the space he needs. Just start with that.
You can send a final message saying, “Listen…I know I’ve bombarded you. It’s time for me to stop. I am going to go take care of myself now and stop putting all of my emotions on you to take care of. It’s not your job. I will leave you be and finally respect your need to just go do “you.” I’d love to hear from you every once in awhile if you are willing. I love you and take care!”
Thoughts?
Heidi
Hi Gaoia,
I am soooo sorry for all that you are going through. I can see that you love him very much and wish to get things back to where they were. It is beyond challenging to feel powerless. You are having to face, within yourself, that there is NOTHING you can do to change how he is behaving and living his life. You cannot change his anger, you cannot change his yelling, you cannot change his relationship with his mother, you cannot change his choice to be a victim in his life. It’s an awful feeling to have to watch someone you deeply care about, alienate themselves from everything good they have. That’s what he is doing. He is doing everything he can to push people away. He is dealing with something VERY deep and it’s now coming out and wreaking havoc on his life.
Because he is dealing with some very deep anger, resentment and fear, it is a journey only he can take to fix it, heal it and figure out what the source is. The truth is, it’s time for you to embrace the person he is today. I know you know the “other” person where everything was so wonderful, but now you know this current person too. There is no magical formula that exists anywhere, that can snap someone out of that much anger, resentment etc. He is letting all of those emotions consume him! He won’t get help. He might need some medication to help him through this. Regardless, there is a point where you need to choose your own health and emotional safety over your husband’s. There is a point where you are sacrificing yourself, in efforts to save him (which will never happen – he has to save himself).
So where do YOUR needs fit into all of this? Are you just going to continue to choose to be a doormat to his daily emotional vomiting all over you? You have already done MANY things to become a better partner. As you see, it hasn’t changed a thing. He is worse than before, despite all of your efforts. Whatever he is dealing with IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!!
So we can give you all of the advice in the world about how to be a better partner, but it doesn’t change that he is not interested in being a better husband. He is going to do whatever he wants to do, therefore you are left to deal with effects of that.
I know you want to save him and help him find himself again. Even if you were able to do that somehow, it won’t change that whatever is causing him to behave this way, won’t go away. Which only guarantees that it will rear its ugly head again.
So your choice is this….choose yourself, or choose him. If you choose him, you choose to live in daily pain and rejection. If you choose yourself, you say goodbye and deal with the pain of the loss of your dreams with him and you start over.
What he is dealing with is beyond your capability. I’m so sorry to tell you this. I know you are wanting SOMETHING to do, so you can help. You have done what you know how. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink….and that applies in your situation. You can do everything you know how to do to be better, but he still needs help. As long as he is willing to indulge in his resentment and anger, then he gets to. He will deal with the consequences of all of that and he will take you down with him as long as you choose to participate….and you get to do that too.
I’m know I’m taking a hard line here, but from what you describe with how he responds to you on a daily basis, it’s time for you to face the seriousness of this and the risks you are taking for YOURSELF. You pay high consequences living in an environment like that. What needs to be fixed, is far beyond any techniques or things to say or do that would be in the power of your hands.
Thoughts?
Heidi
Hi Ashley,
It sucks doesn’t it? Being ghosted feels pretty awful. Ever since the online dating thing really took off and caught fire, ghosting has become the number problem that has shown up. People have found a way to “hide” when it comes to disconnecting. They just disappear instead of say what they need to say to create closure. Communication has gone down the toilet! I’m sorry you had to experience this. It will continue to get easier and easier. Keep disconnecting your thoughts from him and direct them into a new experience you would like to have. Create that new vision in your mind and put your energy there. It’s hard to lose something without replacing it with something else.
Does this make sense?
Heidi
Hi Ezanda!
I’m so sorry!! Was this a surprise to you? Or did you maybe see signs of this coming around? What was his reasoning for wanting to break up? If we understand the reasons for breaking up, it helps us guide you better in how to repair whatever has happened. I know he said he doesn’t love you anymore, but do you know why? Has he found another woman? Is his job at risk? Has something happened in his family?
Many times, love can get pushed to the very back if there are super intense things happening in their life. All they feel is the intensity and they don’t really have access to the feelings of love with their partner.I wouldn’t say anything about your anniversary. It sounds like right now, his mindset is not in that place. Anniversaries are meant for bonding, connecting, reminiscing, building more memories and being on the same page. Right now, you guys are none of that, so the anniversary thing is not appropriate at the moment.
Have you ever checked out our “Relationship Rewrite Method?” It has a lot of wonderful tools and concepts in there, that are important ways a woman can support and understand her man better. Check it out!
I also want to make sure…you guys have been together almost 13 years…yes? Did you ever want to get married or was that something that wasn’t important to you or him?
Share as many details as you feel comfortable!
Heidi
HI Ashley!
First of all, well done that you said something! Many people just let things slide and end up months down the road with someone with too much built up crap they are holding inside.
Here is the reality about dating, especially in the beginning. It can be sensitive and fragile. I have done the same as you where I have confronted something I wanted to understand more about. I can’t tell you how many guys that has chased away. Maybe I could have said things better or differently. Many times, like you, my intentions were even probably misunderstood. This is what I always come back to and trust….connection and even something much deeper than connection is MUCH bigger than any fumbles I make along the way of a developing relationship. I trust that if my desire to authentic about how I’m feeling and what I see, causes a guy to run the other direction….he is not the guy for me. He either didn’t like me enough to “work through” my questions or he is the type to not handle confrontations well….or maybe both.
Reality is, it doesn’t matter what his reasons are for disconnecting from you….his choice has been to disconnect and that gives you the answer you are looking for….you are NOT on the same page. Even if you needed to say it differently, a guy who is comfortable working through some sticking points, will TALK with you about it, be interested in how you are feeling and work with you on it. Anyone who is not comfortable with confrontation or questions about their behaviors and actions….they run. He ran AND now he is even ghosting you. If you were to take the connection you had with him out of the equation and just look at his behavior, what would you think about this guy? He is a guy who says A LOT of things, but doesn’t have follow through. From what you are saying, that’s a pattern. It’s enough of a pattern, that it made you want to actually talk about it. And when you did talk about it, he AGAIN, has had not follow through. Is this the kind of guy you want to keep fight for??
Thoughts??
Heidi
Hi Sabrina,
I am so sorry to hear this!!! It’s heartbreaking!
What kinds of things are you doing to work on your relationship? You said you don’t believe him and you don’t feel like he is putting in the effort to fix things. Why do you feel that way? What kinds of things do you want him to do to make you feel like he is working on the marriage? What kinds of things are you doing to work on the marriage? Do you know why he cheated? Has he cheated before?
Have you checked out our “Relationship Rewrite Method?” It’s wonderful and has a TON of guidance of what women can do to help support their man and their marriage in growth.
More detail is always helpful! We can better offer guidance.
Heidi
Hi Deborah,
Dating is quite the maze isn’t it?? It’s a process of really learning about yourself in front of many different types of people. I first want to invite you to consider, why wait for guy who isn’t even divorced yet? He is going to need some time to heal, to figure out who he is with a new identity of “divorced” and I always recommend spending a certain amount of time NOT dating. It allows for all of the feelings to come up and be processed. If someone coming out of a relationship immediately heads into dating, all of those feelings get buried…but are guaranteed to surface at some point.
He sounds wonderful and it sounds like he is being honest however, truth be told, he is not available for you. You want to wait? For how long? I’m not saying to close the door on him. I am saying to keep dating, keep learning about yourself, keep having experiences and if, at some point, he shows up again, then you can deal with it at that time. But for now, he is not available, so it’s important for you to move on. I know there is a connection with him, but there will be other men as well. Give it a chance to happen. You want to connect with someone who can offer you something in return.
THoughts??
Heidi
Hi Nancy,
Does he live in the same area as you? How long have you been connecting with him?
First, I do want to invite you to slow down a bit. You are wanting to pursue a relationship with someone you have never met before. You already have said to him, “I want to support you (us) and your way of thinking so we can expand and grow and explore your way of thinking” which is basically saying, “you matter more than me and I will support your way at the expense of my way.” I am wondering if this is what you meant to communicate to him? I am wondering if you are afraid of losing him, so you are being passive in efforts to try to get him to stay connected. Is this how you are feeling? I don’t want to misunderstand what is happening.
Have you tried to meet up before or was this the first time you made an attempt at meeting in person??
I’m always VERY cautious with a person who will connect REALLY well over technology, but then comes up with excuses when it comes to meeting in person. There is always something fishy going on with that kind of dynamic. Women tend to get caught up in that and the men that play those games, are very skilled in keeping them connected. Do you think this is at all possible with your situation???
Heidi
Hi Deborah!
Welcome! We are glad you are here!
What lead you to this book in particular? There are a million books out there about love and relationship, so how did this book catch your attention? Just curious.
Heidi
Hi Lorelle,
My inclination is for you NOT to leave orchids at this moment. You have pulled back and you want him to contact you. You are doing a GREAT job not texting him!!! I know how hard that can be. Thank goodness you have a g/f helping you with that!!! If you leave orchids for him, you are contacting him which is going against what you want to create right now. HE NEEDS TO INITIATE!!! So leave the orchids idea for another day. He needs to miss you. He needs to not hear from you and he needs to reach out. Give him the chance to do that!!!
As far as start signs go, I do believe that our astrology can influence how we interact in life and what shows up. However, that sign that we all claim we are, is a VERY little sliver of the full picture. There is much more to our “sign” than that particular planet we identify ourselves as. But again, when it comes to understanding a person and why they are the way they are, it is 1 lense you can look through. There are many lenses to view through! There are a tone of books that “type” people according to HOW they love. Have you heard of the Love Languages?? That’s a good book! What you want to do is keep learning who he is and digging deeper as to what influences him. His childhood, his sign, his love language type, his personality type, being a male, his numerology etc. It’s fun to get know someone through all of those portals as they each have some good pieces to it!
Lastly, I didn’t realize yesterday that there was a 2nd page that had started with your post, so I responded from your last post on the first page. So Kanya had responded with some guidance for you already and it was different than what I had guided you towards. I don’t like to contradict her as it can create confusion and she always offers wonderful ideas. Even though we have different opinions, remember that you know what will work well for you and what resonates with you most. Her approach with flirting, can work well too! It’s all about the delivery, when it comes down to it and you seem like the kind of person who would be able to get creative in your delivery 🙂
Thoughts?
Heidi
Hi Lorelle!
I would go for the “respect” route. When a woman is flirty, it’s easy for guys to get confused and not receive a clear message. You can however, send a clear message of how those deeper parts of who you are, is something you are careful and protective of and that you don’t share those parts with just anyone.
You can say something like, “Listen, I would love to have those kind of experiences with you. If we keep heading in this wonderful direction, I have no doubt we will share many, many sexual adventures with each other. But, in this very moment, I am not quite ready for that. I want to get to know you more first. Is that okay for you?”
It’s simple, clear and lets him no the answer is not “no” forever and you give him a good feeling by letting him know you look forward to those kinds of experiences at some point, so he won’t feel like you are rejecting him.
Does this make sense? No matter how you approach it, I have no doubt you both will get through those moments. You guys have such great communication skills!As far as saying that you are going out with “a friend,” I would suggest to NOT insinuate on any level that it could be another man. Men have different kinds of reactions to this. It works super well with some and with others, may cause them to put walls up. Things are good right now. I think you pulling away and getting him to initiate more is enough to get his attention. Besides, you saying you went out with your girlfriends is threatening enough. Guys know that going out with girlfriends means “patrolling” is going on. They know that men will be looking and girls will be flirting. At this point, there is no need to get him jealous. What you are doing is working, so stick with that plan for now. If something shifts, then a new approach can be taken.
Thoughts?
Heidi
Hi Lorelle!
WONDERFUL questions!
What I would invite you to think about is this: If you viewed your heart, your sexuality, your body, your mind, your spirit and the depths of those places as sacred, special and the most precious gifts, would you hand it over to someone you barely knew? Probably not.
I know you both have exchanged a lot of WORDS. I know those words have been deep and full of meaning and there is a bond and connection that has been created on a very deep level. However, NOTHING can replace time together. Most of the depth that has been created has come from an exchange of sharing your story through words. Another level of depth that needs to be created will occur through time. There is still soooooo much you don’t know about each other through EXPERIENCE. You have very little time spend with him, watching how he reacts to his life IN THE MOMENT. You haven’t had an argument yet, to see what he feels and how he treats you when there are hurt feelings. You haven’t seen him angry, you haven’t seen him cry. My point is, even though there has been a deep exchange of words, feelings, emotions, TIME is still needed to put substance behind those other exchanges.
My suggestion is to take it slow. Do not ask him if he thinks if you are in love with him. Do not ask him about what he meant about hurting you. My only reason behind that is to invite you to WATCH him and just be with him and get your answers that way vs. being direct. You both have gone so deep with each other, it’s important to also be surface and NOT go deep on purpose. Let the relationship unfold in organic ways sometimes, instead of getting all of your answers directly by asking questions. There are 2 ways to get to know someone. Conversation and experiences with them. You both have done an incredible job with the conversation side of things. Now…let the experiences side of things catch up as it’s far behind. You need time to see if his actions align with his words and he needs to see the same about you as well. You need to see how you navigate, as a couple, through life in REAL TIME.
So when it comes to the sex, keep it light and easy. Know that your experimental side, your tantric side is SPECIAL!!! It’s a deep part of you that needs to be EARNED. Let some time pass and make sure that he is really a good match for you. So far he is, but there still is a HUGE limitation on how much time you are able to spend with each other, so that means getting to know him on that level, is going really slow….which is a good thing. So keep the sex at a slower pace and guard those deeper parts of your heart, your body, your mind and save those for later, once you both have grown deeper because of all the memories you have created together.
Does all of this make sense?
Heidi
