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Hi Junie,
I wouldn’t read too much into it. Still give it some time and space. He has been pretty consistent with opening back up and connecting.
Why not send a light text about something. I’m not sure when he sent that last meme, but wait a day or 2 and send him a fun text…maybe a funny video, maybe a cool picture of something you saw, maybe a picture of your beautiful dinner and you can say something like, “would love to eat this with you at some point. It’s mouthwatering!!!” Be flirty, be fun, be light…and see what he does with it.
I like your idea of holding off on having sex. He needs to show he is all in. He needs to show you he can be consistent, connective and that he really wants to invest in you. So be flirty, responsive to him, let him know you are very attracted to him and do want to have sex again and that you do miss that part, but you just want to wait for a bit and see how things play out before you head down that road.
Does that make sense? Is this comfortable for you?
Heidi
Hi Alice,
what I suggest is to write down all of what you just said. Type it up and save it. Then go over it a few times over the next week or so. Re-read it, let some friends read it, we are happy to read it here…and get some feedback.
Then…whenever you see him, you can give him that letter. That way he can read it on his own time, in the privacy of his own space and he gets to have his own reaction without worrying about how you respond to him.
You need to be realistic though. Most likely, him disconnecting has so much more to do with many other variables besides you. So when you write the letter, write it with he intention of JUST apologizing and not needing anything to come from it. Write, knowing that he most likely will not respond. Write it and let it go and move on with your life.
Is that something you can do?
Heidi
Hi Hilary,
I am soooo so sorry for all you are going through. You have lost everything and now you are losing him. It’s devastating to say the least.
I wish there were a magic way to get him to connect in and be more caring. Reality is, I think he just the kind of guy that isn’t interested in being confronted or growing as a partner. He stonewalled you 32 years ago and that aspect has not changed in all those years. This is his coping mechanism. He is probably super fragile emotionally, so being confronted about not showing up well in a relationship, is something he can’t quite handle…so instead he blames, takes no responsibility and he disappears. This is not your fault that he choosing to handle it this way. You yelling at him in the middle of the street is just a symptom that you are hanging on by your fingernails. You need some help. Do you have anyone you can go talk to? What kinds of things are you planning in each day to have some fun? I realize he was your only source of stability and solidarity, but he is not an option anymore, so you need to find other ways to start to take care of yourself. I know you love him. I know you want him back and I know you want him to care more about what you are going. He doesn’t have that capacity for whatever reason. It’s on HIM that he isn’t communicating clearly if he is unhappy. It’s on HIM if he has needs that are not being met by you and he isn’t being honest. You cannot make someone be those things.
I think, for right now, still give him some space. Take some time to take care of yourself and start to heal from the hurt you have right now. You are dealing with an insurmounatable amount of loss and to add losing your love, is just downright awful. That is why I am suggesting to find a therapist or coach or support group or SOMETHING or SOMEONE to help you. You need support right now. That can take the pressure off of him to take care of you.
Then…when you start to feel more grounded and clear, if you still feel you want to work things out with him, you can reach out and see if he responds. Considering how he handled things 32 years ago, I’m not sure he will give it another go. When you live that long with that kind of pattern, it doesn’t change unless you face the causes of that pattern. So he is who he is and it’s up to you to accept that this is how he handles stress…he gets defensive, he blames and disappears.
Heidi
Hi Steffy,
I’m so sorry for all that you are going through. Everything that has happened with his family is so intense.
I think the challenge here is more about you. You want him to change. You are trying to get something from him that he is not willing to give and it has nothing to do with you. My guess is, he doesn’t want to really open up his heart. His own mother became a drug addict. The one role model that shaped who he is, has abandoned him…why would he trust any other woman?
You are wanting him to be more emotional than he is, you are wanting him to make more time for you than he is willing to do and you are wanting him fight for you more than what he is willing to put forth. I imagine all he feels like is that he is not doing enough for you and although that is true, what is also true is that you are unhappy. You want him to change and that’s something that isn’t realistic. You are seeing how he handles his life. He is showing you and telling you that your feelings don’t matter. That is on HIM, not you. You say that if you don’t matter in his life, he should just say so, yet he is telling you, in many different ways, that’s how he feels. He won’t commit, he uses a million different excuses not to see you, he doesn’t really want to hear how you feel.
So I think the question really needs to be is: What is keeping you with him? He is not valuing you in a way that makes you feel special, loved, cared about and appreciated. What is stopping you from accepting that this is who he really?? These are traits you cannot change in someone else. He has to change them himself. You cannot make someone who is treating you this way, feel differently for you. He has A LOT of baggage that he has to face and that’s not something he is doing. This is not about you being different or treating him differently because you are not the problem.
Thoughts?
Heidi
Hi Kim,
Welcome! We are glad you are here!
Love is very complicated isn’t it? You can talk to 1,000 people and each and every person will have a different definition of what love is and what it feels like.
His version of love is challenging. I’m sure what you are wanting from him though. My guess is, you want him to stop dating and you want him to commit only to you? It doesn’t sound like he is that kind of guy. If he wasn’t even sad after 32 years of marriage, that’s a BIG RED flag.
He is sending soooo many mixed messages / signals. People like are “split.” Meaning, they have 1 part that feels 1 way and another part that feels another way. Whichever one is strongest in the moment, is the one who is in the driver’s seat. That is not something YOU can change. People that are split, usually have a lot of hurt, resentment, anger etc. that they are carrying inside. It gets so big because it just keeps growing and they never deal with it…so those emotions literally create the “split” that feels differently…and that split creates a lot of challenge in relationship. That is not your fault. It sounds like he has a lot of emotional work to do so he can come into alignment with himself and have consistent feelings.
If you want to keep dating this guy, then you need to accept him for who he is. Wishing he were different is a very dangerous game that you will always lose. Being that you guys started out with him lying, cheating and exposing you to stds, what is keeping you with him? I understand you have a lot of great chemistry and everything flows really well together a lot of the time, but it also doesn’t. That part of him that treats you in that way is not going away. What are you hoping to accomplish then?
Heidi
Hi Jewel,
I’m sorry to hear that this is how you feel and how you are treated. It’s never your fault how someone else feels. Each person is responsible for themselves. People who blame other for how they feel, are very fragile, or they have very strong narcissistic tendencies. Either way, those are the kind of people you want to get yourself away from, or they will destroy every ounce of self esteem you have left. So what is keeping you with you this guy? What does he have that you want to stay connected with him?
Heidi
Ha! The painful next day is the main reason I stick to just a few drinks. In the moment it’s fun to indulge, but the price you pay for it the next is so awful! I’m glad you had fun though, especially considering how the guy ghosted. You do need a brave man, without a doubt. He was pretty awful to play with your emotions that way.
So shy guy is still trying a little bit, eh? At least he has some consistency, but again…courage is important. Maybe you creating closure will help him have more courage.
Either way, you do have a pretty spectacular life filled with great friends, lots of travel adventures and good stories to tell from it all.
Heidi
Hi Rhonda,
So glad to hear you had a great time! I bet it was just magical to see those bears. They are amazing aren’t they??? What was your favorite part of your vacation??
It is gym time isn’t it. When it starts to get cold outside, it’s time to move the exercise indoors. Where are you??
Tell us about the guy from work. what about him are you attracted to? How long have you noticed him and worked together? What signs has he shown that makes you think he might be interested?
As far as your profile, it might just be a lull. I know everybody goes through phases where the interest is zilch and then it picks back up again. You can always change your profile back the other way and see what happens. It’s all about experimenting and finding out what works.
Heidi
Hi Emily,
So what’s the update?? How did your evening go at that new club? I’m glad you sent something to close the deal. Have you heard from him? Maybe it’s good you close the deal with shy guy as well and let him know you are no longer interested.
Maybe give sortiraparis another chance when you have the energy. It’s a great way to meet new / likeminded people organically.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
Heidi
I hope you have some fun tonight! You sure do deserve it! Meetup.com is free, which is nice. Maybe there is something like that there! It’s not a dating site. People just join groups of the same interest as them, so there are groups for politics, religion, science, hiking, dog groups etc. You can create your own group too…whatever you want. I figure that is one of the best ways to meet people organically who have the same interests as you. Regardless, you are just going to have some fun tonight with some girlfriends which is always good medicine!
Heidi
Hi Alice,
I understand you so badly want to fix things. First, I think it’s important that you understand he was part of the equation as well. Even though you had anxiety and may have said or done things he didn’t like, he also has done the same. This is not all your fault. It takes 2 people to create a situation. You have done the very best you know how and he is not responding. That is on HIM!
I think you are lost because you are not getting what you want and you are putting all of your life in HIS hands. The way to NOT feel lost is take back the control of your life. You are waiting for him. You are putting your life on hold, waiting for him to respond in some way. As long as that is your approach, you will stay feeling lost.
Instead, accept his choice to not respond. Stop playing guessing games as to what everything means (like not cutting off the credit card or taking back the key). Accept his choice. Once you accept his choice, you can then start to build your life on your own. You are not accepting his choice and that he IS communicating to you his choice…through silence. You just don’t want to listen. So this is more about you choosing to finally listen, if you want to stop suffering. If you want to stop feeling so lost, start building your life on your own, without him in it. When and if he decides to reach out, you want to be grounded and centered in your life, not desperate for his attention. That will make him run the other direction soooo fast! But if he sees you have your own life, don’t “need” him and you are secure…that will be attractive to him. You’ve got to make him work for your attention. You just want to give him whatever he wants, even after ignoring you for many weeks. A man will NEVER respect a woman like that and I imagine you want his respect. So start building your life without him.
Is that something you are willing to do?
Heidi
This is so great!!! He is responding on a whole new level! I love that you are so busy that you can’t respond right away. It creates some space and that is VERY necessary right now.
I agree with Kanya. He needs to initiate the next meeting. Of course you want to see him. But think of how amazing it would feel for you, for HIM to initiate without you having done anything to make that happen. I think that is important for you to know AND it’s important for him to take that step. You don’t want your first time seeing each other because he has to come help you “fix” something, right? What you REALLY want is for HIM to initiate asking you out on a date. So just wait. I know that sucks and I know you want things much faster than him. Being patient is a very important thing to activate right now. What is more important than creating a scenario where you get to see him, is for you to wait and let him initiate when HE is ready. Women move much faster than men in general, so the lady has to find the patience to let the guy go at his own pace. It helps him feel safe and respected. What you are doing is working right now. Stick with that and give it time to evolve into more without trying to push it faster. Does this make sense??? How does this make you feel??
Heidi
Hi Nicole,
I love that you are learning to offer compliments in a more specific way. I agree…it’s very easy for a “thanks” to get lost. It’s not personal. You are finding ways to be much more powerful and impactful in your life! Well done! And it sounds like it’s working just a bit with your ex.
As far as if he cancels, I would phrase your response a little differently. Being that he is dating someone new, he may feel pretty conflicted about coming to visit you. He may have a lot of hesitation due to many different reasons. It’s a risk to come visit you. So if he cancels again, instead of saying “I know you want to see me…” (that’s pretty assumptive and has a pressure feeling to it) you can say something like “No problem! I trust that if you are meant to come visit me, it will happen when it’s meant to happen. I would love to see you, but I also understand you have a lot going on, including a new girl you are dating. I can respect that. So I trust your process and that you will do whatever feels good for you.” Feel the difference??
As far as the letter, I would suggest waiting a bit. If he does end up coming to visit, that might be a really good conversation to have in person. But….it’s also a great practice to write it all out. It can help you get much more clear about what you want to say and how you want to say it. So I suggest writing the letter and go through it a handful of times. If he doesn’t come and visit, then at that point, it would be a good thing to send him. I even like suggesting to hand write it, as it’s more personal. AND…what is really important is that you offer that letter without attachment to it. Meaning….write it with the intention to just express your thoughts vs. being attached to getting him back. The letter is a great way to clear the air and take responsibility, but when you expect something in return is when the energy of the letter can change. Write it for you. Write it because it’s the kind of person you are and want to be in this world. Does this make sense?
How does all of this feel for you?
Heidi
OOOOHHH NOOOOO!!!!
What happened??? Did you hear from the new guy and go on the date??? That is soooo strange for him to make that much effort, constantly calling you and connecting, only to end up ghosting! I hope that was not the end result. Let us know.
And the shy guy….not sure what the point of it was either. He really is missing out on you. All of these guys are. It’s a common situation! I know sooo many kickass ladies who get ghosted, get played or are not valued for who they really are. All of them are really frustrated with the dating scene…especially the online platforms. Many of them, like you, get sick of it and just need to take a break. I don’t blame you for wanting to step back for a second. It is a TON of effort with little in return. That is why I help the ladies find other ways to meet people…organically and not through the online platform.
Maybe that is the avenue you can take for this next phase. Do you guys have Meetup.com over there? I had a client a few years back who decided to take things into her own hands. She started her own “singles” group. She just started putting together monthly social activities and inviting every single person that came across her path. It was CRAZY how fast that group grew in numbers. She ended up creating a Facebook group and then just posts the social event there. She hasn’t found anyone yet, but there have been a handful of couples that have come out of it. Regardless, she has a blast! She has over 500 members of the group now…and it started with 10 people. I keep telling her she should turn it into a business as she is so good at it.
Heidi
Hi Junie!
This is great! See how the dynamics can change so easily when you are busy and not focused on whether or not he is texting you? It’s really good to wait sometimes. I know it can go against a woman’s nature to wait awhile before you respond, but it let’s your guy know you are not sitting by your phone and super available anytime he wants to connect. Him having to wait for a response from you, can be a really healthy thing. It can create a certain amount of respect and ease in his mind, knowing his woman has a life 🙂
I’m curious how you chose to eventually respond! Thank you for sharing all the details! This is great!
Heidi
