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  • Heidi G
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    Because he never let anyone in his life during all this years, but he let me… he chased me for so long.. and I still don’t understand fully. Does a men do all this just for a one time sex then dump?
    What did he actually felt during our time together? He showed so much excitement in the times we made some time to be by ourselves (which was really hard because of the kids), then now it just feels like I was nothing at all
    First of all, it doesn’t matter what he has done the past 6 years. You don’t know it’s 100% true and honestly, I am not convinced. Regardless, none of the reasons really matter. All that matters is that he has done this. I understand that your mind wants to put his behaviors into a box that makes sense for you. The reality is, it’s all just a guessing game, because the only answers are inside his head. So…being that you will probably never get the full understanding behind his choices and actions, all you have to deal with is what actually happened. What happened is that he drew you in, connected with you, told you how special you were in various ways, then retracts all of that and pulls away saying he “thought” you were on the same page about not wanting a relationship without ever being honest right from the beginning with you. His actions and his words are NOT aligned and that is all you need to know. The “why” behind it, doesn’t matter, so let your mind rest in trying to figure him out and just deal with the facts…he is NOT a good partner.

    So it seems day to day, apart from taking care of my two kids, work and study, gym, I have nothing to look out for. No joy. No plans. I am just so sad, then I miss him. I miss him texting daily and making plans with the kids… that just suddenly disappeared from my life too. I want to encourage you to create a different perspective you. Everything you have said is about what you don’t have instead of looking at what you DO have. And what you DO have are you beautiful kids, your freedom and not being in an emotionally abusive relationship anymore, you are studying for something to give yourself more purpose in your life, you GET TO workout and go to the gym vs. many people who are not even able to do that. There is joy everywhere. There are beautiful flowers in bloom, I have no doubt you love your children and can easily find joy with them, you can find joy in the benefits you get from going to the gym, you can find joy in the strength you had to get away from your ex-husband, you can find joy EVERYWHERE. You just need to be willing to focus your attention on the joy instead of getting sucked into the energy of suffering from this loss.

    What is important to understand is that all your sadness and hurt is not just about him, but it’s about ALL the baggage full of hurt and low self-esteem you have carried for years. His rejection is triggering a lifetime full of hurt and that’s why you are feeling depressed to the level you are. It would be a really good idea to work with your therapist again and start to clear the junk out.

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Viviane,

    You are really going through a lot. I’m so sorry you are having to deal with this rejection. I know how badly it hurts the heart to have a guy not fight for you. The thing is, this is a blessing in disguise. I know it doesn’t feel like it right now, as all you can feel is hurt, but I hope that at some point, you will be able to connect to and see the gifts in this experience.

    It was NO mistake that you brought up what you did about your feelings. You did not scare him away! His commitment to be single forever was there long before you entered the picture and it’s a MAJOR red flag that he didn’t communicate that to you from the beginning. He was quite irresponsible to lead you on the way he did. To connect to the level that he did, ANY woman would have been drawn in and feel like he was interested in investing in a relationship at some point. He is in fantasy land if he thinks he can treat women this way and not have them want more. So again, he is either completely naive (which I doubt) to think you wouldn’t want more from him or he was incredibly uncaring about your precious heart and wanted what he wanted (sex and affection) knowing it would end at some point, so he let it go on as long as possible. RED FLAG!!!!

    Also, the fact that he has committed to never be in a relationship again because of his past, all that tells me is the is incredibly fearful, has no idea how to forgive and release the hurt from the past and that makes him NOT a good partner. If he is holding onto his past this strongly, that he is committed to never love again…he is incredibly emotionally fragile. EVERYONE has heartbreak. EVERYONE has stories about how their hearts have been obliterated by love. Most people want to move on. Most people are willing to try again. This guy has completely shut himself down, so he is letting his past, rob him of joy and connection in his future. This is DEFINITELY not a guy you would ever want to let into your inner circle. He holds onto his pain for dear life and doesn’t forgive and that sets up any relationship for failure. Relationships are full of abandonment, rejection, hurt, betrayal…it’s normal! If a person does not choose forgiveness every single time, then the relationship will never last. This is one of the main reasons I am telling you that him “rejecting” you was a gift. He is not partner material. He is not actually rejecting you….he is rejecting himself. He is rejecting love. He is rejecting connection. He is rejecting happiness. He is NOT rejecting you.

    I can’t stop hoping he will regret and reach out to me again. Let him go Viviane. Regardless of how you feel, it’s not enough to make a relationship work and last. He is NOT available for you in the way you need. You are also carrying A LOT of emotional baggage, which makes you not very equipped to be in a healthy relationship either.

    I want to encourage you to get help. You left an abusive marriage and that is HORRIBLE what you had to endure. You have been demoralized, reduced to nothing, beaten down physically and emotionally…and that means you are going to have a lot of low self-esteem…it’s impossible not to. It’s your low self-esteem that kept you with him in the first place. So you leave your marriage and immediately jump into connecting with this guy, all the while not having to feel the pain you carry, because this new guy made you feel so amazing. The truth is, you need to learn to feel amazing all on your own, so you don’t end up in another abusive relationship or with a guy who does not value your heart. Would you consider working with a therapist who specializes in domestic abuse?

    Thoughts?

    Heidi

    in reply to: Guy seems scared #35731
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Wow, he really jumped right back in to dating. That is a guy who is running away from his feeling and not facing the deep loss of his marriage. He is not a guy you want to have as a partner anyways, because he is a runner. So whenever things get difficult between you guys, he would be the guy to jump ship before deeply working on anything.

    There is nothing you can do about HIM. He is a sovereign being and gets to be who he wants to be. You job to fully and completely embrace and accept who he is, including his limitations. Acceptance however, does not mean keeping him in your life. Acceptance is “I care about you and accept you with all your limitations. But with that acceptance, I also love myself enough to not let your limitations break my heart over and over again.” Acceptance means you choose not to fall in love with his potential and try and “fix” him, it just means you embrace his yukiness AND walk away because his yukiness is toxic and harmful right now. He has a lot of work to do before he will ever be ready to let someone else in. I know he spent some good time being separated before the divorce was official, but separation hits the psyche different than divorce.

    It seems there is nothing I can really do to change the situation. Would you want to? Really think about this…even if I handed you a magic wand to get him back, would you still choose to have a guy who runs away from his feelings? Would you still choose to be intimate and hand your heart over to a guy who is more fearful than anything when it comes to love? He would be a project for you…he would be a rollercoaster ride for you. Is that what you want?

    Heidi

    in reply to: Guy seems scared #35728
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Jennifer,

    I am soooo so sorry for what you are going through. It’s incredibly tough to be blindsided like this. There are a lot of layers here so I will do my best to explain some of the red flags, to hopefully help you understand more about what is happening here.

    Just a question…how long has he been divorced? You said it was relatively recent and he has had 2 relationships prior to you, since his divorce. After being married for 19 years and having that marriage end partly because of an emotional affair is incredibly difficult. It sounds like his feelings are still very palpable and real. This is the first MAJOR red flag to let you know you that regardless of how he feels about you, he is NOT ready to offer any woman his love. As long as he is still angry and hurt, there is NO WAY he has the ability to be 100% available for another woman. His anger and hurt are VERY CLEAR signs that he is fearful, guarded and has not forgiven what has happened…and therefore he will not have the ability to trust or be present with you.

    Also being that everything happened pretty fast between you guys, especially since he still has not moved on from his marriage, is another red flag. It sounds like the “I love you’s” have already been exchanged and it’s only been a few months. That is barely enough time to get to know someone, so the “I love you” is going to be more chemistry vs. time and experience spent together to actually EARN an “I love you” that has a solid foundation.

    From what you are saying, it sounds like he is still very confused, afraid, hurting and definitely NOT ready to have any kind of serious relationship. No matter how amazing he has been, no matter how much fun you guys had together, no matter the feelings for each other, it doesn’t change what else exists here…he is still angry, hurt, feeling betrayed and not 100% present in his relationship with you…and as long as this side exists, he will not be 100% emotionally available for you in order to build a relationship that is solid and sustainable….as evidenced by him running away after a few months.

    This is not about you…this is about him not being ready. He needs to work through what happened and stop stepping into a relationship that he cannot support. He probably did the same thing to the 2 other women before you. He will find ways to sabotage the connection because deep down…he isn’t ready.

    How does this make you feel?

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Johanna,

    Your heart must be breaking. To put in so much effort to try and make things work, only to have a partner that won’t and who shuts you out, is really awful. I’m so sorry.

    You have some tough decisions to make here. The longer you stay and continue to be ignored and dismissed, the more damage it does to your precious heart and to the relationship. It’s just going to become more and more painful as time goes on. You can either just keep participating in this design or you make some changes for yourself to create movement somehow. Right now, you guys are very stuck. Movement is important to get through something like this. You can do small movements for yourself and maybe consider working with a therapist to help you create movement within yourself. Or…you can create movement in the relationship by letting him know that you are almost at the point of requesting a legal separation unless he is willing to start talking and work through this WITH you. It doesn’t mean you guys will stay together, it just means it’s time to be brutally honest and authentic so you BOTH can deal with ALL the cards that are on the table in order to make the best decisions moving forward. If he isn’t willing to talk, then start the process of moving out and getting separated…and still find yourself a good therapist who can help you deal with this loss.

    I know it’s harsh. You cannot force someone to talk or work through things with you. All you can do is either fully embrace and accept their choices and behaviors and know it’s going to hurt over and over again…or you can start to make different decisions and design something different for yourself, because he isn’t willing to do that.

    I’m so sorry Johanna. Either choice is full of a lot of pain and heartache…they are different versions of pain, but pain is pain.

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Tammy,

    Welcome!! We are really glad you are here. I understand this is confusing for you.

    I’m wondering. What is so great about this guy that it’s worth being treated this way? Here is a guideline that is VERY important to follow. It’s about patterns. Once is just once. Twice is a weak pattern, 3x is a strong pattern. So far, this guy has shown you 2x that as soon as things are going well or you are being vulnerable and trying to develop intimacy, he runs. I guarantee you, this kind of behavior is a STRONG pattern and will happen again and again and again because there is an impenetrable wall around his heart that only HE can break down.

    Also, you are teaching him to treat you this way. He gets to be himself. He gets to connect and disconnect as much as he wants. YOUR choice to keep participating in his pattern, is teaching him that he gets to treat you however he wants and there are no consequences. Basically, you are teaching him that it’s okay for him not to care about how he is affecting you, by accepting his behavior and not setting boundaries for yourself.

    It seems like you are making this connection with him way more important than how he is treating you. This particular behavior is a MAJOR red flag and you are trying to figure out a way to keep his attention and where you stand with this guy. How about you requiring that he keeps YOUR attention and earn your trust? My guess is, you are not willing to set boundaries and respect yourself because you are not willing to lose him. The truth is, you don’t really have him anyways. No girl does. A guy that treats a woman like this has very little respect for her, is really confused and fearful of deeply connecting, or he enjoys playing games with a woman’s heart. The reason doesn’t really matter – what matters are his actions that are not suitable for any kind of sustained connection.

    Tammy, your heart is valuable, sacred, unique and special. It needs to be treated as such. One question I ask my clients is “Is loving this guy or going after this guy, a kind and loving thing for your heart?” If your answer is 100% yes and there are no reservations, then I would say go for it. But what you are explaining here, I would say this guy is a dis-service to your heart.

    When a woman respects and values herself and requires the same from the people she allows in her life, she wouldn’t accept anyone’s rollercoaster ride of deciding whether or not they want to be in her life. She would say “I do not accept being treated this way. You are confused and that’s okay. Maybe I don’t inspire you or maybe you are playing games. Either way, this doesn’t work for me. So figure out what you want and then we can talk about it. Until then, I’m not interested in connecting.” I know that may sound a bit harsh, but THAT is a woman who honors and respects what a man chooses to be AND she also respects herself by not participating in a connection with someone who is coming in and out and hurting and confusing her.

    Thoughts on this?

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Johanna! I’m glad to hear that this new information is helpful for you and that you are learning and growing and most of all, interested in developing your confidence.

    I’m curious…what do you think a confident person has that you don’t? Why do you think you have so much low self-esteem? What is stopping you from loving yourself? Let’s say you did develop more self-love and confidence…what do you imagine your life will be like?

    He says he’ll never leave me so I have hope that everything will be alright with time and learning. I am going to burst your bubble here. These kinds of fantasies are really dangerous and can cause a lot of pain. It’s important always to embrace and work with what is true. What is true here, is no matter what anyone says, using the words “always” and “never” followed by a promise, is the most dangerous kind of promise to make, because while it may be true IN THE MOMENT, that’s all that promise is ever good for…IN THE MOMENT. So the “I will always love you” or “I will never leave you” kind of statements are simply statements he cannot guarantee…no one can. You seem to really find safety in his “I will never leave you” promise and that is NOT a statement to feel safe with. What IS true is that he means it for now. Life happens, he will change and so will you, so the ONLY guarantee your relationship has, is that you guys are going to evolve and change A LOT over the years…whether together or apart…that’s a DAILY choice. AND…I imagine you wouldn’t want him to stay with you just because he said he would. I know people that have chosen to stay with their partner because they made a commitment and not because they actually WANT to…so they end up cheating or sabotaging the relationship in other ways. That is not a good situation either, right? I know you want a vibrant, loving, nourishing connection with him. You BOTH will need to work to keep this relationship going. You can do all the work on yourself and build your confidence as much as you want, but if HE doesn’t do his own work and really release his “promise” to the other girl and release his guilt along with the other baggage he carries, your marriage will not be open, nourishing and vibrant. He needs to WANT to work on the relationship with you as well. Do you think he is willing? Is he the type to want to learn how to be better in his life? Do you think he would ever seek help to work more deeply within himself?

    I believe the more I learn how to become irresistible, his feelings for her will vanish, maybe not completely, but at least I’ll be HIS love and he’s my hero and that’s what I want. You are still competing with this other woman in your mind. Learning how to become irresistible is not going to change him. He chose to marry you not from being madly in love, but instead trying to run from something else. Until HE faces his choice and really looks at his choice and releases his old promise, there will always be a wall between you guys, no matter how irresistible you are. Sometimes, 2 people have a “thing” that has no words. Sometimes, people connect in ways that are beyond anyone else they connect with and it sounds like they might have had that “thing” together. It doesn’t matter though, because love takes MANY forms and each version of love is powerful in its own way. So instead of trying to “become” irresistible to him (which immediately sets you up to compete against the other girl for his love), connect with the power and beauty and uniqueness of the love you offer to him. Let this other girl go and focus on the love that you and him are building together each day. No, it’s not the same as the other girl, but it’s not meant to. Yours and his love is a unique blend of you and him and now your son. That’s powerful too, right?

    Thoughts?

    Heidi

    in reply to: Older Single trying to date again #35711
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hey there!

    How’s it going? Are you enjoying your Manifest your Man program? How is your social life coming along? Meeting more people and doing some fun things?

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Jessica!

    I just saw your message and reached out to a staff person, so as soon as they get back to me, which is pretty quick usually, I will send you my Coach info.

    I suggest deleting his text. I’m soooooo so proud of you that you didn’t even read it. Delete his contact info and I would also suggest blocking him. Addicts do tend to go in cycles where they will push away the people they care about the most and then eventually they circle back around, apologize, say ALL the right things and work their way back into their lives. Blocking him will keep you protected from falling back into his charms and the goodness he does have in him. You are vulnerable with him and maybe always will be. I am incredibly internally strong, but there really have been particular men in my life who somehow are able to break down my defenses and not in healthy ways. I know who these guys are and they are deleted and blocked. I’m not interested in playing with fire and expect that I can somehow handle it. Of course, I learned that the hard way though by getting hurt…a lot.

    All I want is to talk to him and hear an apology. Closure. Which you probably got from your breakup but I know I have to stop wishing and just move on. It’s just easier said than done Healing from heartbreak is ALWAYS easier said than done…AND it can be done. I understand that you want closure from him and you want him to apologize. I have no doubt, that at some point, he really will connect into the pain he has caused you and so many other people in his life. It’s important for you to create closure for yourself. My father was a really messed up guy. Twenty years ago I cut him out of my life. He died last summer. I never got an apology, I never got to have a dad who deeply loved and cared about me, I never got to have a father who owned up to his abuse. AND…I healed anyways. I created closure for myself by forgiving him and releasing the hurt I carried. Closure is NOT reliant upon another person. Healing DOES NOT require an apology from the offender. This is YOUR pain. Yes, he ignited it in you BUT, he did NOT cause the network of pain you are carrying from your past. You are wanting HIM to apologize for you to help relieve the pressure of the pain that lives in you. That is not his job. It is your 100% responsibility to take ownership of the pain and work with it yourself. He was just the last offender in a loooooong line of people who hurt you. An apology from him will not fix any of that. But what DOES fix it, is owning it, working with it and choosing to forgive and release the pain all of these people caused…and you don’t have to talk to a single one of them!!! We can all heal on our own.

    Thoughts?

    Heidi

    in reply to: inconsistency in behaviour #35709
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Shruti!

    This is a great question and I’m glad you are asking this.

    If he is ALREADY having some inconsistency in his behavior, that is DEFINITELY something you need to explore more and gain a deeper understanding about. He could be dating other people and when he is out with them, he is less available to shower you with attention, he could feel scared to really connect with you, he could have some stuff going on in his life that makes him feel not ready etc. There are a handful of reasons why his behavior could be like this. AND…to be honest, none of it matters because whatever the reasons are, it’s not going to change his behavior….maybe.

    First, you have to be willing to walk away and NOT allow yourself to go through these ups and downs. For example, I have an old friend from 20 years ago that came back into my life a few months ago. At first, he was REALLY responsive to texting back, initiating phone calls and being connective…and then all of a sudden he wasn’t there anymore. My connection and friendship is valuable and I take care of that connection by having standards as to what I will participate in. Therefore, I send my friend a video and text letting him know that it didn’t feel good to send him several videos and texts and not have any responses from him in return. I understood that he is super crazy busy because of the season he is in at his work and that he just didn’t have the capacity to respond, however…that’s totally okay and I honor that AND it means I’m not interested in that kind of friendship. He immediately reached out, we scheduled a time to talk and we both expressed our thoughts and feelings about it and came to a resolution that worked for both of us.

    I’m sharing this example because FIRST AND FOREMOST, you have to care and love yourself MORE than any connection you have with a man. It is quite common for women to negotiate away their standards and how they are treated in order to stay connected with the guy. This leads to MANY MANY problems down the road AND it also leads to you teaching him how to treat you. When you value yourself and treat yourself with respect, others will either fall in line with that or they will fall away from that. I was willing to end the friendship if he was not willing to shift some things and start to care more about the friendship I was offering. Does this make sense?

    So, to start, I would suggest to have a mindset of curiosity and ask him some questions about this pattern he has of being really connective and then not. If he is dating other girls, he most likely will not tell you that, as he probably will be afraid. Regardless, what YOU need to decide is what you REQUIRE in order for you to stay connected. Are you wanting a committed relationship with him? Do you want him to be more attentive all the time or do you just want more consistency?

    When you have this conversation with him, you can ask him “I’m noticing that sometimes you are crazy attentive and feel very available to connect and then other times it’s quite the opposite. I’m wondering what is happening? Are you afraid? Are you dating other girls? Are you just not sure about me? I really would like to learn about you and what’s going on.” Then, you can let him know what you need if he wants you to continue connecting with him. Make sure you are VERY clear and detailed about what you would like. Instead of saying, I’d like you to be more consistent, explain what that actually means. If you want more attention, well what kind of attention? Be clear about this so if he is interested in wanting to keep connecting with you, he knows EXACTLY what he needs to do.

    How does this approach feel for you?

    Heidi

    in reply to: Long Distance Help #35708
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Linda,

    Sounds like you are doing really well and feeling good about your situation. Good luck with everything! We are here for you whenever you run into some bumps in the future.

    Heidi

    in reply to: Long Distance Help #35705
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Linda,

    I’m really happy to hear it was just him being busy.

    Maybe a conversation you can have is “When you don’t respond like that, it causes me to wonder if something is wrong. We are still obviously getting to know each other and we will fumble along the way, of course. What would be really helpful is instead of just telling me we will talk later and then not following through, just tell me that you are really busy and will reach out when you get a chance. Even telling me that you are going radio silent for a handful of days, but that it has nothing to do with me and you just need to focus on other things, will be helpful. I am happy to support whatever you need, but it’s much easier for me to do that when I have an understanding of what you need, instead of guessing what is happening for you.”

    Even though he was busy, he could have handled it much better and been more clear, instead of just putting you off and then breaking his word with you by saying he was going to reach out and then not following through. Those kinds of things add up and MOST OF ALL…those are moments that build trust or break trust. Doing what you say you are going to do is about integrity and building trust between 2 people.

    Just something to think about.

    Heidi

    in reply to: Long Distance Help #35700
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Linda!

    Welcome to the forum. I know it’s really tough when you feel the connection shift. It sounds like something happened for him. Long distance is INCREDIBLY tough!!! Especially when it comes to building a relationship from scratch.

    Have you directly asked him what’s going on? Does it feel like he is more distant? Or short? It’s not uncommon for men to pull away and go into their “cave” to process something challenging. I’m wondering if something happened at his work. Or maybe he personally got a medical diagnosis that is scary. Any number of things could have happened for him to be less available and the only way you will know is if he tells you. Are you guys planning a trip to see each other again? How far apart do you guys live?

    Heidi

    in reply to: How to have healthy communication with narcissisti #35688
    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Hi Tamara,

    It sounds like you have really done your homework.

    My question is, what is happening inside of YOU, that you have chosen to stay with a man who doesn’t care that you exist except to serve him? He is who he is, so basically, YOU are the one here who has chosen to be with him and ALLOW yourself soooooo many years of rejection and somehow called that “love.”

    however I have seen him making changes to be more available to me and putting more effort into our relationship. Which is part of why I’m so confused. I’m sure this is your dream. To have a guy treat you so poorly for so many years and then all of a sudden start to become a little more available to you would feel like a fresh glass of water in the middle of the desert! I don’t know what is happening, but what I DO know is that your perspective is distorted. Staying with a guy like this for 15 years just tells me that you have a STRONG relationship with pain and rejection and feeling anonymous. He may be giving you a little more attention, but he is NOT changing. People like that DO NOT change. Not in any sustainable way, unless they do deep work on themselves and those type of people don’t do stuff like that because they don’t think anything is wrong. Whatever changes ARE happening, it does not undo the damage that has been done for YEARS. He may be happier, because he is cheating and entertaining himself with another woman. Maybe he came into some extra money. I don’t know. He is the only one that knows and being that he doesn’t communicate to you very well…it will remain a mystery. It DOES NOT mean you should stay. By staying with this guy, it means you are abandoning yourself. It is NOT love when you “love” someone else at the expense of yourself. That is called trauma bonding. Here is a video that may help you understand a little more: https://youtu.be/HRREbjsq3jY

    Tamara, my heart goes out to you. You are so deeply wrapped up with him and have lost so much of yourself by being with him for so long with your heart being betrayed and neglected by yourself first and then by him. That’s awful. You are trying to find a “light” somewhere so that you can keep him in your life and continue knowing who you are through him. The thing is, the ONLY way to truly get yourself back, grow your self-esteem, start to love yourself more deeply and really be FREE to be the FULL expression of yourself, is to separate from him. No matter how many “methods” you try to heal, they will NEVER fully work their magic as long as you stay with him. I know you believe this last year he is “changing” but I will tell you, he is NOT changing in any sustainable way. He will NEVER be that person that is deeply intimate with you. He is NEVER be that guy who deeply respects and cares about your feelings and wants to understand you. He will NEVER be that guy who shares his deepest thoughts and feelings with you.

    You have been in an emotional desert for 15 years with this guy. You have been roaming the desert and come across a city that CAN help you (your yoga, your healthy food, your RTT etc.), but then you head back out into the desert and continue to wander and you wonder why none of the techniques are working. They cannot work, NOTHING can work, as long as you keep choosing to step back out in the desert where you are abandoning all help. You are CHOOSING to be alone and wandering around, no direction, no change, no hydration and you are STARVING. That is why you even came here in the first place…looking for some food and water. While you are wandering around in the desert, your guy comes by with some water. The ONE thing you have ALWAYS wanted from him, he is finally giving some of it to you. You immediately drink the water feeling a level of relief and hope that things are FINALLY changing for you. But what you didn’t even notice is that water is full of dirt and grime. The water he handed you is not water at all. It’s wet and can help with your deep thirst, but the dirt and grime in that water makes that water toxic to you. You are sooooo thirsty though, that you are not even able to see it. No one in your position would be able to see it. I have seen him making changes to be more available to me and putting more effort into our relationship This is the water you are drinking. You are going to have a very distorted picture of the water you are drinking. You are going to be so disoriented, that you will have no idea what “healthy” is and what it means for a man to be truly “available” for you, because your perspective is skewed. He may be more available compared to his normal pattern of 15 years, but it doesn’t actually mean he is available. It just means he is more than before, which honestly does not say much or mean much at all.

    I know I am being quite blunt and strong here. I suppose it’s my effort to try and plant some seeds of truth into your system. I know you are not ready to leave him and you are not ready to be on your own and discover who you are. As painful as it is, there is still comfort in playing small, not being seen and just serving a man. That is more important to you than anything else and that is a pattern that deep in intertwined in every cell of your being. I would suggest to find a therapist who is strong, will confront you and equip you with skills to be able to stand on your own 2 feet and help you find your value. Maybe someday, you will be in enough pain to make a different choice. Until then, you will keep “visiting your cities” that you come across in the desert so you can get sourced for a little bit before heading back out into the desert. I honor your choice. You get to do that.

    Thoughts?

    Heidi

    Heidi G
    Moderator

    Oh wow Jessica! I am soooooo so proud of you! You are doing such incredible work by saying those things to yourself in the mirror every day and I am proud of you that you stopped drinking and partying! Just something to think about….there is nothing wrong with drinking and partying at all, but it’s a SUPER dangerous mode when you pair it with pain. That is actually how a lot of addicts get their start. They pair pain with substances and are trying to “escape” the pain with those substances and then the neural networks in their brains get created and addictions are born. It’s a slippery slope, so I want to encourage you to stay sober. That was always an agreement I had with myself…as long as I was in anger, hurt, resentment, rebellion etc. I would NOT drink or party. I developed the strength, knowledge and skillset to face my pain head on and although I will run from my pain from time to time by ignoring it, I always end up facing it and healing…but always sober. Love yourself enough to make that kind of commitment.

    I am happy to refer you to my Coach. She is the most badass person I know. My favorite thing about her is she will absolutely tell it straight to you AND then teach you skills of how to work with your emotions on your own. She will take you deep and help you identify what is TRULY happening and help you clean out the core wounding that lives in your subconscious. With her, I will work through traumas sooooo fast. So as long as you are willing, you can do some very powerful healing work and so much faster than you would with most other coaches or therapists. She works with people all over the U.S. through the phone or Facetime, so her methods work that way as well. If you are interested, let me know and I’ll send you a private email with her phone #.

    I’m so sorry about your vacation and the loss of money. It’s not really about the money that is so upsetting, it’s about how disrespectful he is being by not paying you back. You were a team. And now, even though he has stepped away, he is still not being honorable. It’s not surprising as that is a typical behavior of an addict. I know it doesn’t make sense, but what you are seeing about him now, was always there, but you just couldn’t see it. I know I’ve said this before…”Love is blind.” You are going to have to let this one go. I know you are angry and resentful about it. Sometimes it’s good to have that anger so it keeps you in pain…to remind you about the parts of him that are really destructive and not okay for you. Is it possible to still go? Is there a friend that can still go on the trip with you? Maybe he would be willing to transfer the flights into your name. Have you tried calling Southwest or talking to an agent? It’s YOUR credit card that made the purchase, so maybe there is a way they would be able to help you somehow. Maybe THEY can transfer the tickets to your name or give you a voucher.

    I feel like men to me all look the same now. Like liars. All of them. I know that is such an unhealthy way to look at the future but that is where I am. This is VERY normal. You are hurt, you are angry, you are resentful, you feel powerless, you feel fooled and all by a guy you built your fantasies and future life around. Of course, your walls are up. And that’s okay!!! Right now, you are in recovery. Just like if you broke a bone, it needs to get set back into place and needs some time to heal, with the right amount of rest and physical therapy, BEFORE you go for a run again. Give it time. You will absolutely recover from this. If you work with the right kind of “physical therapist” you will not only come back 100%, but you will be wiser, smarter and will absolutely make more healthy choices for your sacred, beautiful heart moving forward. So don’t even worry about whether you will date again. I promise you will. We ALL have been in that place more than once. The worst breakup I ever had was the most painful thing I had ever felt, a little over a decade ago. I was sooooo depressed, all I could do was lay on the floor and occasionally get up and go to the bathroom. I would show up to work and look like death! I had to work with him. I was his boss actually, so it was so painful to go to work. And funny enough, last year, he decided to move to Colorado and stayed at my place for a few months and it was great! So…healing is VERY possible, love can be transformed and you will find yourself again…an even stronger version of you! You can do this! Keep choosing to love yourself. Choose forgiveness. Choose to face your fears and anger. Journaling is a POWERFUL way to truly let ALL that crap that you are holding inside, out onto paper WITHOUT filtering a thing. Let it out! Dance your anger or sadness. There are PLENTY of songs to support ANY feeling you are having in the moment. The idea is to keep working WITH your emotions and moving them. Dancing, journaling, talking, throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old in your house, screaming angry profanity into a pillow, go somewhere private and pin up his face on a wall or tree and throw eggs at it while yelling at him, take a tennis racket and beat a pillow, then journal more. Give your feelings a place to go!!!

    Thoughts? Do you want my coach’s info?

    Heidi

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